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Suggestion Activity Guide Tier Idea

Discussion in 'Questions & Suggestions' started by Nairne, Dec 1, 2017.

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  1. Nairne

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    Hi all! So in light of the recent survey about player activity, I felt this would be a good time to bring this idea up. I, among others, have become a little frustrated with lack of player activity. It's to the point that half of my threads seemed to have just died due to players posting only around activity check times or rarely at all.

    Now I understand that people are busy and life happens. Trust me, I can completely relate to feeling overwhelmed getting posts done when life is kicking you in the teeth. However, at the end of the day, we're here to roleplay and the system we have is allowing people to regularly abuse the system and string people along. The tricky part about this however, is that everyone has their own preferences and finding a way to help the people who just don't have the time to post as regularly have ways of being involved without causing issues to plots and what not.

    I've been thinking about it for a few days and I thought of a system that could hopefully be a good compromise. The system would be with each activity check, a character has to make certain thresholds to be determined a certain activity level. So take for example, Character 1 makes 30+ posts a month while Character 2 only gets 4 posts a month. Character 1 would be put in a high activity tier while Character 2 would be put in a low activity tier. If the player of Character 1 needs an absence, then they could be permitted to remain in the high activity tier during only 1 activity check. However, after that point, they could be dropped to a lower tier (a medium range and so on). The activity tier could be put somewhere on a player organizer so others can know if they want to plot with that character and if they'll get a response. It could also be used when it comes to people who run major plots so that way it helps prevent low activity members from stranding a plot and holding them up for months.

    I feel with this system if a player wants to continue having a low activity as having a side character, it would at least warn other players. Plus, depending on how the admins feel about the posting situation, you could also make it stricter by saying if you're in the lower tier too many times then you get a character removed or whatever the admins feel necessary. The main issue I can see off the bat would be managing this system and maintenance from staff to enforce it since it might be work. Maybe putting some of the work on players keeping track could help the staff?

    This was just an idea I came up with so if you guys come up with a way to make this system better and more fair then go right ahead! I figured I'd at least get the conversation started and try to provide a solution that would work for everyone.
     
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    Thanks for the suggestion, @Nairne! It's something staff are currently discussing.

    For an idea like this, amount of work required won't be an issue, actually, because I'm working on an automated Activity Check system. So extending that to also cover other sorts of activity measurement shouldn't be too difficult.

    If anybody else has thoughts on this concept, or other ideas or thoughts regarding the ability to progress through plots and threads on the board, feel free to drop them here. We'd love to here them!
     
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    As a sort of addenda/question, would it be possible to sort it by character instead of player at times? Sometimes the sitewide events/plots/muse fickleness leads to one character posting a ton, and one less so, and it can and often does swap back and forth. Would it all be dependent on the player or would there be leeway and flexibility for characters?
     
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    Thanks very much for the suggestion, @Nairne, and for the question, @Twist!

    This is a topic and issue that we are and have been well aware of for quite awhile now. It's been a topic in coordinator discussions for months and an issue that we've been seeing happen for years, so it's definitely something we would like to try to help the community with.

    I want to preface all of this by saying that activity level on Pandora is entirely personal preference. We have no desire to regulate how often players are posting to their personal plots and if people have issues with others posting at a pace that doesn't agree with them, then the most ideal solution is to communicate with your partners and work on a solution - whether that means prioritizing the thread, relaxing the pacing, skipping somebody, writing somebody out, or doing whatever else you guys might like to agree on.

    That said, we know that communication can be a huge struggle for a lot of people, which is why this discussion is happening. Whatever solution we do come up with, it will absolutely NEVER involve punishing players who enjoy a more relaxed pace. Again, there is nothing wrong with a slower pace and we, in fact, want to continue to emphasize that. It's all about finding rp buddies who will mesh with you.

    We are discussing the above system for consideration with a couple of tweaks, as outlined below, in hopes that it can help with that.

    Activity Status

    Every character would be given one of three Statuses representing a Posting Habit reflecting their current pacing on the board.

    For example:
    • Mercury = 3-10 posts a month
    • Mars = 15-25 posts a month
    • Neptune = 25+ posts a month
    I pulled random numbers and names, so they might not end up looking like that if we go with this, but you get the idea!

    This activity will be updated every month based on their actual IC posting habits across the previous three months. Every character's Activity Status would be visible to members of the board, so they can make an informed decision about whether or not this member or character is a good fit for them.

    If we implement this, it would be automated, so zero work for staff and zero work for members!

    NOTEOnce again, this is only at the consideration stage and is still being discussed by staff, so any community feedback is welcome and appreciated!

    The goal here would to better help players find other rp buddies who match the pacing they are looking for. This might mean you're looking for a quicker poster for a specific plot. Or maybe you're looking for a more relaxed poster! There is no right or wrong activity level (within the rules of the site), this would simply be yet another tool that the community could use to find buddies.

    @Twist, I hope I did manage to answer your question above! But in short, to answer your question, each character's status would be updated individually, so it's not based on overall player activity at all. Because we know that some people have their main babies and their side babies, and that activity preferences differ from character to character.

    But yes, this is definitely a discussion that is happening because we are and have been well aware of the activity concerns, so any thoughts you guy can give us would be wonderful and very much appreciative!
     
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    I think this is a pretty great idea! I was trying to gauge individual character activity for everyone's convenience, but I never could come up with anything practical.

    Just one question though, regarding new characters, I assume they will go without a status like that until they have hit three months in the RP?
     
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    Awesome! Glad my idea could help with this :)

    I guess I do have another question since you guys mapped out your plan. What about in regards to players that primarily make their posts in the Activity Check week on a regular basis? I reread the rules and it mentioned that players would have characters capped if that happened. Would this rule change with the new tier system?
     
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    Details like this would be sorted out once we start fleshing out the system. That’s if we even decide to do it. Though my initial thought with that is to allow new characters to manually set their posting speed. Then as the board gets actual data, that status will change.

    Well, if we do introduce something like this, it will come after the new Activity Check system. With the new Activity Check system, it’s a rolling checker for each individual character. So, there won’t be any actual global activity check period.

    We will still keep an eye on activity trends though, such as if somebody frequently falls into the DANGER OF DELETION zone. But we’ll handle those caps on an individual basis.
     
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    I'm not 100% opposed to this but I do have some concerns.

    The biggest being that I, personally, am inconsistent. Sometimes I'm quick, sometimes I'm the opposite of quick, and that all has to do with my schedule more than my preferences. I just worry about how that'll affect the estimations over a three month period, because whichever tier I'm in may not accurately reflect what I can or can't do at the time.
     
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    I'm in the same boat to me honest.

    I try and be as active as I can be in a months period. But due to life commitments and work kicking my ass of late. I'm really gonna struggle to make this current activity check due to my lack of posting in the past month or so. Therefore I think a tier system would be awesome!

    I like the proposed changed over though and think that a fairer activity system would be welcomed on the board! :)
     
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    I understand a lot of these concerns, being an anxious person and all, and nervous about the entire judgment of the thing. But I think for me it's going to help if it's not seen as a positive or negative on either side of the spectrum. Sometimes I want threads that take awhile so I don't have to think of a reply to match someone who has has a faster posting pace than I can manage with a slower muse of my own. Sometimes I have quickfire muses and I don't want to be that guy bouncing and nervous as I wait for a reply, never sure if I can bug another person about a reply or not.

    For me this system seems like it'll solve that problem too and I'm very much for it. :)
     
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    Maybe the system would just knock people down a tier based off a certain length of time?

    So, say you're pretty active during the summer so for 3 months you are higher tier. Then school/life/whatever hits and you're down to barely making by. You could be a high tier in the summer and just get knocked down each tier if the activity goes down based off the past three months of lack of activity. (Maybe adding more tiers could keep it from being too drastic of a change?) Once life/school/whatever backs off and you come back, it'll bump you back up to your respective tier. And they could do a grace period thing so one month of lack of activity isn't dropping a normally active player's tier drastically.

    We could do averages instead of direct counts, but again, that might not be fair either. I guess it would depend on the algorithm Rani decides to use.

    The tier system is just about helping say the rate of whether a character is regularly posting. So if it's a seasonal or job thing, the system should -in theory- just reflect it based off historic data and shouldn't hinder too much. Plus, as long as people communicate with the absence thread, then fellow RPers will know that this is the case and not a system thing.
     
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    I'm about the same way Doodle is, a sentence I've never expected to utter. But joking aside, my life can be a topsy turvy mess of low and highs. That mean I might post quickly one week but then slowly the next and so on, now I dont keep a schedule exactly.

    But I've got a few things happening in my life that has made posting a basic roll of the dice. As I'm currently skipping between real life issues, both of which can be up and downs at depending times. What I'm getting at is, that I'm worried I'll loose my characters if one chosen as higher or lower. When that may or may not be the best time or I'm in a thread with someone whose faster or slower then me.

    Especially since some of mine and other people's characters are liked more or less then others or some do or don't get very much interaction for some reason or another. Like an example would be Vegeta, some people enjoy threading with him for whatever reason. While others may outright fear having their character near him, thinking they might end up accidentally injuries or dead.

    And yes I know the rules about death but I've played over powered characters before, and a lot of people can be worried about threading with them. Anyway, I guess I might just be rambling or afraid because of past character issues. I just hope life and luck can put me and mine in the right category (also I haven't had much sleep lately, so if I sound off I do apologize)
     
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    I’m on my phone but real quick, I didn’t mention this because I didn’t want to get into the tech of it, but Rani’s plan was actually to use a three month span of time to determine a status.

    So it would basically determine status based on an average of three months, making it less accurate to a month and more accurate to a span of three months, leaving wiggle room for those month to month fluctuations.

    EDIT: There’s also an absence/vacation system coming with the new automated AC which would allow accounts to not be counted for an updated status while set to vacation/absence.
     
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    Just to ease a bit of fear, so long as you are meeting the monthly requirement you will not lose your character. Just because a character is in a relaxed posting speed does not mean they are at risk of deletion. All this is to show is preferences/styles and so those who want a relaxed pace can find others of the similar mindset. And same goes for faster pace!

    I think some are getting a bit worried based on the term 'tier.' This isn't to shame someone if they're more of a relaxed poster and if something like that does arise, then staff will definitely step in and say 'hey, that is not okay.'
     
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    Hey guys, because I think there is some confusion and discrepancy with people reading the opening post and not jumping down to my post where I outlined the actual system, I'm going to close this thread and post a new one so that there isn't anymore of that confusion. Thanks so much for everybody who posted here, and you're absolutely encouraged to post in the new one which will be up shortly!
     
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